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cashiers + the future of work, home depot 💕

Vass Bednar
Dec 13, 2020
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hans @hannahgordon_
we put the first man on the moon YEARS ago. why did we stop. why did we Not continue to put the rest of the men there. explain ?
10:36 AM ∙ Dec 10, 2020
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Mimsy @MGM304
It's interesting that restaurant owners, b&b owners and landlords aren't told to fucking learn to code.
6:07 PM ∙ Nov 30, 2020
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My gorgeous husband - an architect, cinephile, Haligonian, and extremely handy man - loves Home Depot, possibly more than and definitely equal to how much he loves me. It seems like a temple of sorts for him - a consistent conduit to improvement and resolution. 

When he goes there - which is often - he can confidently purchase all the weird stuff he needs to fix or build things in our apartment (and even get a McFlurry on the way home). 🍦

If only every problem could be solved with Bondo, gorilla glue or a 100-foot extension cord, babe.

I like Home Depot, too. I think their “Orange Method*” approach to up-skilling cashiers to engage as developers is a neat model for the future of work. What if they had all of the tools that they needed to compete in a digital economy already roaming the aisles? It’s refreshing to see a large firm invest seriously in the talent of their existing workforce. 

**Not to be confused with OrangeTheory boot camp.

I’m wondering if the approach offers *everything* we need to fix the increasing digitization of the service and retail economies. I also anticipate mimicry from my all-time favourite firm: Loblaw.

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Emma-Jo Morris @EmmaJoNYC
The wealth disparity in America should be able to be addressed without punishing one side (eat the rich) or the other (learn to code)
3:38 PM ∙ Nov 29, 2020
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Earlier this year, the Future Skills Centre - dedicated to helping Canadians gain the skills they need to thrive in a changing labour market - announced a $37M investment for innovative and responsive solutions to Canada’s evolving labour market. Upskilling the labour force for the future of work is a growing area of interest for many policy people. Workers are being cautioned and conditioned to be “lifelong learners”, and to  demonstrate this commitment with micro-credentials.

There’s so much to explore with that, like: who really has to provide official evidence of new learning, and to what degree should the individual pay for it?

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World Economic Forum @wef
Our new report, Closing the Skills Gap: Key Insights and Success Metrics, is available to read here: bit.ly/3nSppei Using real case studies, it identifies opportunities for collective action to strengthen reskilling and upskilling initiatives.
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10:02 AM ∙ Nov 30, 2020
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Maybe you’ve engaged in new learning experiences this year - I’m on a Coursera “pathway” to become a Certified Ethical Emerging Technologist, casually studying platform co-operatives, and auditing a Data Science course with Juno College on top of all my other commitments. Why? Maybe pandemic employment anxiety? I can claim these on my taxes through the Canada Training Benefit (*maybe, does Coursera count? ugh). 

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Daniel Munro @dk_munro
How should we think about skills and skills development in a post-pandemic world (when we get there)? Happy to have contributed ideas to this scoping report from @ppforumca, and especially for the opportunity to collaborate with the great @AnjumSultana.
ppforum.caSkills for the Post-Pandemic World - Public Policy ForumHow can we transform Canada’s skills policy landscape to address new trends in how we live, work, learn and socialize in the post-pandemic world? This scoping report takes stock and identifies 8 areas for further research.
3:00 PM ∙ Dec 11, 2020
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For now, I want to focus on the holy grail: employer-sponsored retraining. 

🏡 Home Depot: from cashier to coder  

Here is a four-page case study on how Home Depot is creating “orange-blooded innovators” through their in-house tech boot camp.

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Jason Gutierrez @JasonGDHRMD228
This is very exciting The first Cohort of Graduates for Orange Method are graduating, this program focuses on Associates from the business and embark on a 16 Week Program to become Software Engineers very exciting #orangemethod ⁦@HeidiBorowski⁩ ⁦@dontamcam⁩ ⁦
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9:16 PM ∙ Feb 7, 2019
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To stay competitive, Home Depot needs software engineers, security experts, UX pros, merchandising and data scientists. In order to create a pipeline of skilled associates to fill upwards of 1,000 technology roles, Home Depot rolled out an immersive skills boot camp dubbed “OrangeMethod.”

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Mike Knudtsen @Mknudtsen
From @HomeDepot store associate to salaried technologist: Building the next generation of innovators. youtu.be/_QhC2wS8qFg #orangemethod @pluralsight
youtu.beFrom store associate to salaried technologist: Building the next generation of innovatorsOrangeMethod creates a pipeline of skilled technologists to fulfill The Home Depot’s strategy for digital adaptation.Visit us at:Facebook: https://www.facebo...
9:30 PM ∙ Oct 3, 2019

It is novel for an employer to invest in training in this way. Given that there may be a software developer shortage, it’s strategic for Home Depot to upskill existing talent (employees). I just wonder whether their salaries are or can be comparable to the market rate for a software developer and what the fine print is - i.e. do you need to stay with Home Depot for a certain amount of time after completing the free training? Are the new skills transferable - portable and recognized - or constrained to Home Depot systems?

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feeling very vindicated for cottoning on to the fact that the actual fundamental purpose of “learn to code” was to make labor cheaper a decade ago
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Alex Press @alexnpress
great https://t.co/e1L2MB8IqS
12:47 AM ∙ Nov 28, 2020
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Asking these questions is especially important as the geography of talent may matter less post-pandemic, altering competition for software developers and potentially placing downward pressure on those wages. We’ve already seen large tech firms like Facebook taunting that they will adjust salary based on geography. 

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I’ve tried to discern what the typical salary of an in-house trained developer is at Home Depot, and whether it’s notably lower than the market rate. Short answer is: I’m not sure.

This is interesting, though: Loblaw is hiring for a Senior Manager, Learning Strategy and Innovation.  It seems like the position is focussing on some of the same coded buzzwords that Home Depot has been using.

[From the JD]:

Responsibilities:

  • Develop and execute learning strategies for workforce of the future personas (GIG, boomerang, crowd source, etc.);

  • Manage all stages of the learning lifecycle including learning strategy, curriculum design, content development, delivery support, measurement and maintenance.

🕵️‍♀️ Let’s de-code the job description:

  • “Crowd source” is code for unpaid - not totally sure what it means - entering hack-a-thons and contributing ideas but under their current role and salary?,

  • “gig” obviously code for 19th century piecemeal work, and

  • I believe “boomerang” is when you go somewhere else, learn about that place, and come back - it’s harder to frame in terms of cold exploitation and is actually one of the only ways employees can leverage their market value.

Has Loblaws decided that re-skilling retail workers like shelf-stockers and cashiers as coders could help them compete, with an “OrangeMethod” of their own?

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Stephen Lautens @stephenlautens
Good experience. For 2 years I bagged groceries, stocked shelves, chased shopping carts, and was the "clean-up in aisle 3" guy at Loblaw (Ziggy's). Life skills and an appreciation for retail I still have today.
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Vanmala Subramaniam @VanmalaS
"At Loblaw, roughly 400 corporate-level staff now work at stores. Walmart Canada said it asked its head-office employees to shift to in-store work in mid-March and has since had dozens of volunteers." --> Absolutely love this story @jakeedmiston. https://t.co/01lewcTHWk
1:48 PM ∙ Apr 7, 2020
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Alongside this role, Loblaw Digital is hiring, they currently have ~49 open positions, perhaps in anticipation of Amazon entering the grocery space in Canada.

Salary information is limited, but it seems like they are focussing on hiring professionals with credentials from a post-secondary institution, e.g. -

  • BA/BS in computer science, engineering or related technical field

  • Undergraduate degree, preferably in mathematics, computer science, engineering, business or related disciplines, with a sound understanding of data analytics

But they also seem open to alternative forms of expertise through experience:

  • A degree in computer science or computer engineering would help. Complex problems require complex solutions, and formal training in computer science allows us to have a common basis and language in tackling these problems.

This is important - as detailed in Clive Thompson’s "Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World," coding is a white collar profession with less gatekeeping/credentialing from colleges and universities i.e. while we’d never license a self-taught dentist, we’re comfortable employing people with impressive GitHub libraries that they have contributed to over time.

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AppDynamics @AppDynamics
Today, only 9% of global technologists are #AgentsofTransformation, with the skills, attitude, ambitions and beliefs to drive successful digital transformation. Read stories from Loblaw Digital, La Poste, Collinson Group and more #AgentsofTransformation cs.co/60131JTnh
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10:00 AM ∙ Oct 30, 2019

The Logic recently wrote about the hundreds of millions of dollars that Canada’s big three grocers are spending on innovation. 

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Aleksandra Sagan @AleksSagan
How Loblaw, Empire (owner of Sobeys) and Metro have been spending hundreds of millions on stores, innovation and technology, even throughout the pandemic:
bit.lyBreaking down the hundreds of millions Canada’s Big Three grocers are spending on innovation - The LogicWith ambitious capital expenditure already underway, Loblaw, Empire and Metro were able to adapt quickly to the pandemic
7:46 PM ∙ Dec 11, 2020
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The company has spent between $1 billion and $1.2 billion annually over the past five years, spokesperson Catherine Thomas wrote in an email to The Logic, on building and renovating stores, adding technology to make its stores and distribution centres more efficient, and developing and launching new products and services.

Hiring “coders” is capital-intensive. So is training them. Will a company that won’t even re-introduce hero pay during COVID-19’s brutal second wave compensate the people that they seem likely to upskill properly? 

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Literally every adult spent 1970 to 2008 screaming at us to get a degree and now the exact same fucking people are like uhhhh I never said that, you should have studied HVAC if you wanted to live in a house
3:10 AM ∙ Nov 18, 2020
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“Learn to code” is also a meme used to troll journalists when they are laid off from their jobs. This is in the context of a second career. What might it look like if media outlets were investing in upskilling their journalists?

Funny how retraining went from a fetish for governments and now is a Mr. Burns style fantasy of never having to pay high wages for high priced work.

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Clive Thompson @pomeranian99
"What coding really teaches children": theglobeandmail.com/opinion/articl… Ontario's adding programming in primary schools. The @globeandmail asked my thoughts. Le voila! tl;dr -- I'm divided. Coding can be joyful, maddening, creative, so 👍 🦑🛸. Adding to teacher load is 👎 though (1/2)
theglobeandmail.comOpinion: What coding really teaches childrenFirst off, programming gives students a taste of power. People are forever telling children where to go and what to do. When they program a computer, by contrast, they command a completely obedient device
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🙋 Why are we so uncritical about lifelong learning, education, retraining/re-skilling narratives?

We should be hypercritical about it, especially when it’s deployed by the private sector as something positive or presented as some sort of social investment. There are also implications for government-sponsored retraining programs that could be of interest to policymakers.

Related: a great piece from 2011 in the LA Review of Books re: The Education Lottery.

The American education gospel is built around four core beliefs. First, it teaches that access to higher levels of education should be available to everyone, regardless of their background or previous academic performance. Every educational sinner should have a path to redemption. (Most of these paths now run through community colleges.) Second, the gospel teaches that opportunity for a better life is the goal of everyone and that education is the primary — and perhaps the only — road to opportunity. Third, it teaches that the country can solve its social problems — drugs, crime, poverty, and the rest — by providing more education to the poor. Education instills the knowledge, discipline, and the habits of life that lead to personal renewal and social mobility. And, finally, it teaches that higher levels of education for all will reduce social inequalities, as they will put everyone on a more equal footing. No wonder President Obama and Bill Gates want the country to double its college graduation rate over the next 10 years.

A lot of the language/jargon that Home Depot is using or the bullets in the Loblaw job description could be CODE for lower wages or piecemeal work. Tying learning and development to that *seems* like a really positive thing, and it generally is. But corporations may prefer to upskill and get the most out of lower wage workers, not necessarily to transform low wage workers into high wage ones.

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It’s a neat microcosm of “substeppenwolf”’s tweet - the aspiration is that we’ll all be high wage earners but the policy reality is that we may all end up earning less over time - coders included.

We need to make sure that new skills are properly remunerated and transferrable.

Read more:

  • From Coal To Code: A New Path For Laid-Off Miners In Kentucky

  • Companies Seek to Fill Skills Gap by Retraining Their Own Workers

  • Companies Invest in Partnerships, Workforce Training to Bridge Skills Gap

Vass Bednar is the Executive Director of McMaster University’s new Master of Public Policy in Digital Society Program.

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